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Ellen White mówiła że nie jest prorkiem

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PostWysłany: Wto 18:51, 09 Kwi 2013    Temat postu: Ellen White mówiła że nie jest prorkiem

How did EGW respond to the questions about her being a prophet?
Selected Messages Book 3, page 74
Chapter Title: On Being an Inspired Messenger

No Claim to the Title "Prophetess."--During the discourse [at Battle Creek, October 2, 1904], I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Some were surprised at this statement, and as much is being said in regard to it, I will make an explanation. Others have called me a prophetess, but I have never assumed that title. I have not felt that it was my duty thus to designate myself. Those who boldly assume that they are prophets in this our day are often a reproach to the cause of Christ.--Letter 55, 1905.

Note: There were false prophets in Biblical days and that did not keep the messengers of God (true prophets) from accepting the title of "prophets". The proof of a prophet is in the works of the prophet not in the title. Regardless of EGW's title whether prophetess or Messenger of the Lord, she was a reproach to the cause of Christ by contradicting the Word of God and having failed visions.
Selected Messages Book 1, page 35.

When I was last in Battle Creek, I said before a large congregation that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Twice I referred to this matter, intending each time to make the statement, "I do not claim to be a prophetess." If I spoke otherwise than this, let all now understand that what I had in mind to say was that I do not claim the title of prophet or prophetess.

Note: Ellen White had a hard time making up her mind whether or not she was a prophet after opening her mouth to the public that she was not a prophet.

If you notice EGW was not denying being a prophetess, but that she was not claiming "the title of prophet or prophetess."

My work includes much more than this name signifies. I regard myself as a messenger, entrusted by the Lord with messages for His people.--Letter 55, 1905. (In Selected Messages, book 1, pp. 32, 35, 36.)

The Work of a Prophet and More. --I am now instructed that I am not to be hindered in my work by those who engage in suppositions regarding its nature, whose minds are struggling with so many intricate problems connected with the supposed work of a prophet. My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there. It embraces much more than the minds of those who have been sowing the seeds of unbelief can comprehend.--Letter 244, 1906. (Addressed to elders of the Battle Creek church; See Selected Messages, book 1, pp. 34-36.)

Note: EGW never tells us what her work is that "more than that of a prophet." She tells us it is just to bear God's word.

EGW is telling us she had a "commission" of a prophet, but her work did not end there. Again EGW, is telling us she was a prophet even though she did not claim the title. How can this be? A prophet is a prophet regardless of the work God assigns to them.

Ellen White knew exactly what she was saying when she wanted to be called "the Lord's Messenger" and what it implied. So when Ellen G. White referred to herself as "the Lord's Messenger" she was using Bible language to claim equality with John the Baptist, Malachi, Haggai, and other Old Testament prophets. In other words, all her double-talk about not calling herself a "prophet" is simply garbage! She used the term "Messenger" which was specifically used of prophets and priests.
Mal 2:7 (NIV) ""For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction—because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty."
Hag. 1:13 (NIV) 13Then Haggai, the LORD’S messenger, gave this message of the LORD to the people: “I am with you,” declares the LORD.

Mat 11:9, 10 (NIV) "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet." "This is the one about whom it is written: "'I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'"

The SDA Church understands that Ellen G. White was a prophet to their church and put her picture on the cover of the Adventist Review along with Moses, John the Baptist, and Deborah, Adventist Review June 4, 1992. Associate Editor Roy Adams wrote an article, A Prophet for Our Time, Sizing Up Ellen G. White, in this edition, pp. 8,9.

Adventist Review June 4, 1992
Selected Messages Book 3, page 76, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: On Being an Inspired Messenger

The Privilege of Being God's Messenger.--I am very thankful that the Lord has given me the privilege of being His messenger to communicate precious truth to others.--Letter 80, 1911

Note: EGW must have been a very special person for God to give her the privilege of being his messenger. This was the first time since John the Baptist that God had had called anyone his "messenger" Matt. 11:10. It took nearly 2000 years for a miracle of this magnitude to take place in the person of EGW in 1845. Wow!

EGW's "truth" has been a failure of her visions, huge amounts of Bible contradictions, unscientific health reform information, and the ability to enforce this on her church. Any opened minded person should be able to see clearly that EGW was not God's Messenger, but a False Prophet. God would never allow a true prophet to put out such garbage.

All the people that heard EGW's so called "truth" are now dead. You would think that God would call a "messenger" to speak to people that are alive just before his coming and that would not contradict his word.

God has allowed false prophets to exist and function in times past. God has given us the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures to test the prophets. Jesus and the Apostles warn us not to follow false prophets.

Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, July 26, 1906, paragraph 5
Article Title: A Messenger

Early in my youth I was asked several times, Are you a prophet? I have ever responded, I am the Lord's messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be his messenger. "Your work," he instructed me," is to bear my word. Strange things will arise, and in your youth I set you apart to bear the message to the erring ones, to carry the word before unbelievers, and with pen and voice to reprove from the Word actions that are not right. Exhort from the Word. I will make my Word open to you. It shall not be as a strange language. In the true eloquence of simplicity, with voice and pen, the messages that I give shall be heard from one who has never learned in the schools. My Spirit and my power shall be with you.

Note: This is more of EGW's double talk that she does not claim the title of a prophetess. If I paint houses and someone asks me if I am a painter and I say, my work is more than painting houses as I am a house decorator, but if they wish to call me a painter, I have no quarrel with them. Am I not assuming the title of "painter?"

EGW never tells us what her work is that is "more than that of a prophet." She tells us it is just to bear God's word.

Seventh-day Adventists can no longer hide behind EGW's claim that "she was not a prophet to justify her failed visions and Bible contradictions.

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- śmierć wieczna i życie wieczne
- nowe niebo i ziemia gdy przyjdzie Isus

Gdy czyta się , to mam wrażenie jakbym czytał Ellen White która nigdy nie mówiła że jest prorokiem a apostołem.

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PostWysłany: Wto 20:33, 09 Kwi 2013    Temat postu:

Super! Cieszemy się wszyscy. Teraz możemy klękać przed veith'em
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PostWysłany: Śro 1:48, 10 Kwi 2013    Temat postu: Re: Ellen White mówiła że nie jest prorkiem

Tubtuś napisał:
White która nigdy nie mówiła że jest prorokiem a apostołem.

Czy bezpodstawne nazwanie się jednym albo drugim nie jest podobnym nadużyciem?
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PostWysłany: Śro 11:25, 10 Kwi 2013    Temat postu:

Niegrzeczny jesteś Tubtusie..

Przetłumacz to na polski, OK?

Chociaż w Google Tłumacz... na forum piszemy po polsku. Jest sekcja linków anglojęzycznych i w tamtym miejscu byłoby to na miejscu. Zresztą przeniosę ten temat tam. Ci, co nie znają angielskiego będą tego unikać!


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